• Retro gaming

    From Digital Man@VERT to MRO on Thursday, September 05, 2024 12:35:23
    Re: Retro gaming
    By: MRO to KnightMare on Wed Aug 28 2024 07:12 pm

    I thought mame runs on personal computers.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Thursday, September 05, 2024 21:19:02
    Re: Retro gaming
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Thu Sep 05 2024 12:35 pm

    Re: Retro gaming
    By: MRO to KnightMare on Wed Aug 28 2024 07:12 pm

    I thought mame runs on personal computers.

    MAME runs on all kinds of platforms, even little/cheap retro gaming handhelds.


    yeah but he says he has a cabinet; isn't that always powered by a personal computer instead of some little handheld you get off amazon?
    I knew people that built them and they always used a personal computer.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Thursday, September 05, 2024 19:58:59
    Re: Retro gaming
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Thu Sep 05 2024 09:19 pm

    yeah but he says he has a cabinet; isn't that always powered by a personal computer instead of some little handheld you get off amazon? I knew people that built them and they always used a personal computer.

    I haven't built a gaming cabinet myself, but I imagine you could use a lot of things, including perhaps a Raspberry Pi connected to a monitor and a gamepad installed in the cabinet.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Digital Man on Thursday, September 05, 2024 20:14:11
    Re: Retro gaming
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Mon Aug 26 2024 02:26 pm

    There are definitely a lot of options for handheld retro gaming. I decided
    to order a Powkiddy RGB10 MAX 3, so I'm looking forward to using that when
    it arrives. Depending on how I like it, I might sell my RetroFlag Pi-based
    retro handheld.

    Let us know how you like the RGB10 MAX 3. For $99, it's kind of hard to go wrong.

    The model I bought is actually the RGB10 MAX 3 Pro, which has some more buttons on the front (about $115). It arrived today, and I've played with it just a little bit. I bought it with a micro-SD card, and when I powered it on, I found it came pre-installed with an OS (JelOS) and a bunch of ROMs pre-loaded onto it (unexpected, but I suppose considering it came from China, not too surprising). The screen is clear and sharp, and the console feels fairly comfortable to hold & play. Even though the site lists the specs, I feel like it was a little bigger than expected. The GCW-Zero I used to have was a little smaller, and I think its size was a bit more manageable. I usually use a retro handheld while laying down on a couch or in bed, and I think the size could make a difference in how comfortable it is to hold & play that way.

    I'm not sure if I want to keep JelOS on it. I've been using Recalbox on my Pi-based RetroFlag handheld, but I've also heard you mention Onion, which I might check out.

    Also, I hadn't previously noticed, but their web site says it doesn't have built-in wifi, so if you want that functionality, you'd have to buy a separate wifi adapter. They have a small USB wifi adapter they sell (along with a required USB-A to USB-C adapter to plug it into the device); it looks like AliExpress sells theirs, and it sounds like there are some wifi adapters on Amazon that will work with it. Some emulators let you play multi-player online, and some retro gaming OSes allow accessing the storage over your network, which is where a wifi adapter can be useful.

    Aside from a wifi adapter, a carrying case might be nice to have, to protect it while in storage and if I want to bring it with me somewhere. Powkiddy sells those too, but I didn't really think to buy one there when I ordered mine.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to All on Friday, September 06, 2024 12:33:19
    Re: Retro gaming
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Thu Sep 05 2024 08:14 pm

    The model I bought is actually the RGB10 MAX 3 Pro

    I forgot to mention, the D-pad is pretty sensitive. So far I've found it can be fairly easy to accidentally go to the next game system/category due to the D-pad sensitivity.

    Also, I've found that the analog sticks by default don't seem to work in the Playstation games I've tried, but the analog sticks (at least the left one) works in the NES emulator, where it's probably not really needed. There may be settings to be changed for that.

    I'm not sure if I want to keep JelOS on it.

    I did a little bit of searching online, and it sounds like JelOS (or its replacement, Rocknix) may be the only OS option for it. Maybe the pages I saw online were out of date. I thought I saw Onion was also an option.

    Nightfox

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Friday, September 06, 2024 13:22:28
    Re: Retro gaming
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Thu Sep 05 2024 08:14 pm

    Re: Retro gaming
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Mon Aug 26 2024 02:26 pm

    There are definitely a lot of options for handheld retro gaming. I decided
    to order a Powkiddy RGB10 MAX 3, so I'm looking forward to using that when
    it arrives. Depending on how I like it, I might sell my RetroFlag Pi-based
    retro handheld.

    Let us know how you like the RGB10 MAX 3. For $99, it's kind of hard to go wrong.

    The model I bought is actually the RGB10 MAX 3 Pro, which has some more buttons on the front (about $115).

    Oh, interesting. The MAX 3 Pro is actually older than the MAX 3: https://youtu.be/PVxSdVQwQ6s?t=695

    It arrived today, and I've played with
    it just a little bit. I bought it with a micro-SD card, and when I powered it on, I found it came pre-installed with an OS (JelOS) and a bunch of ROMs pre-loaded onto it (unexpected, but I suppose considering it came from China, not too surprising).

    They mostly seem to come with SD Cards with many thousands of ROMs as kind of a selling point. Usually the SD Card is not very high quality though.

    The screen is clear and sharp, and the console
    feels fairly comfortable to hold & play. Even though the site lists the specs, I feel like it was a little bigger than expected. The GCW-Zero I used to have was a little smaller, and I think its size was a bit more manageable. I usually use a retro handheld while laying down on a couch or in bed, and I think the size could make a difference in how comfortable it is to hold & play that way.

    I'm not sure if I want to keep JelOS on it. I've been using Recalbox on my Pi-based RetroFlag handheld, but I've also heard you mention Onion, which I might check out.

    Also, I hadn't previously noticed, but their web site says it doesn't have built-in wifi, so if you want that functionality, you'd have to buy a separate wifi adapter. They have a small USB wifi adapter they sell (along with a required USB-A to USB-C adapter to plug it into the device); it looks like AliExpress sells theirs, and it sounds like there are some wifi adapters on Amazon that will work with it. Some emulators let you play multi-player online, and some retro gaming OSes allow accessing the storage over your network, which is where a wifi adapter can be useful.

    Aside from a wifi adapter, a carrying case might be nice to have, to protect it while in storage and if I want to bring it with me somewhere. Powkiddy sells those too, but I didn't really think to buy one there when I ordered mine.

    Thanks for the review!

    I probably will get another bigger/horiztonal handheld at some point, but not sure it would be the RGB10 MAX 3 Pro, based on other reviews.

    I've put a few hours on the Miyoo Mini Plus now and while the form factor isn't as comfortable, it's small size is pretty great. For Gameboy/GBC/GBA games, I think it's a great device. I think its biggest downside is the lack of analog sticks. Even though the hardware (processor, graphics) are capable of playing some old favs like Doom, Quake, and Duke Nukem, the lack of the stick really makes playing those games impractical.

    My 18 year old daughter still plays the RGB10 MAX 2 a lot (Pokemon games, not sure for which platform), so it's held up. I'd buy another Powkiddy device.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Digital Man on Friday, September 06, 2024 16:51:36
    Re: Retro gaming
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Fri Sep 06 2024 01:22 pm

    The model I bought is actually the RGB10 MAX 3 Pro, which has some more
    buttons on the front (about $115).

    Oh, interesting. The MAX 3 Pro is actually older than the MAX 3: https://youtu.be/PVxSdVQwQ6s?t=695

    Ah, interesting.. Spec-wise, I wonder if the Pro is still supposed to be a step up from the non-Pro version. Their site says they have different processors, but the Pro's is a 6-core, whereas the non-Pro has a quad-core.

    They mostly seem to come with SD Cards with many thousands of ROMs as kind of a selling point. Usually the SD Card is not very high quality though.

    Ah, I figured it would be convenient to order the card from them. And since it's already loaded with stuff, it's an example of how the ROMs are organized and how to add more (there are XML files in each directory where you can specify a 'cover art' image for each ROM and specify the publisher, release date, etc. if you want).

    I think my main complaint about it is that the D-pad is fairly sensitive. The lack of wifi is a little disappointing, but honestly I don't use network capability in a handheld emulation device much anyway.

    I've put a few hours on the Miyoo Mini Plus now and while the form factor isn't as comfortable, it's small size is pretty great. For Gameboy/GBC/GBA games, I think it's a great device. I think its biggest downside is the lack of analog sticks. Even though the hardware (processor, graphics) are capable of playing some old favs like Doom, Quake, and Duke Nukem, the lack of the stick really makes playing those games impractical.

    Yeah, I think it's good to have the analog sticks. Also, this is the first one I've had that looks like it can play PS2 games fairly well. I thought it would be interesting to try out some PS2 games on it. I thought it was already impressive that other handhelds I've had before can play original Playstation games fairly well.

    Nightfox

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Friday, September 06, 2024 20:20:47
    Re: Retro gaming
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Fri Sep 06 2024 04:51 pm

    Oh, interesting. The MAX 3 Pro is actually older than the MAX 3: https://youtu.be/PVxSdVQwQ6s?t=695

    Ah, interesting.. Spec-wise, I wonder if the Pro is still supposed to be a step up from the non-Pro version. Their site says they have different processors, but the Pro's is a 6-core, whereas the non-Pro has a quad-core.

    Yup, I think it is still considered a "step up", spec-wise.

    They mostly seem to come with SD Cards with many thousands of ROMs as kind of a selling point. Usually the SD Card is not very high quality though.

    Ah, I figured it would be convenient to order the card from them. And since it's already loaded with stuff, it's an example of how the ROMs are organized and how to add more (there are XML files in each directory where you can specify a 'cover art' image for each ROM and specify the publisher, release date, etc. if you want).

    I found some ROM sets on archive.org pre-setup with cover art, etc. Saved me a lot of time curriating.

    I think my main complaint about it is that the D-pad is fairly sensitive. The lack of wifi is a little disappointing, but honestly I don't use network capability in a handheld emulation device much anyway.

    I've put a few hours on the Miyoo Mini Plus now and while the form factor isn't as comfortable, it's small size is pretty great. For Gameboy/GBC/GBA games, I think it's a great device. I think its biggest downside is the lack of analog sticks. Even though the hardware (processor, graphics) are capable of playing some old favs like Doom, Quake, and Duke Nukem, the lack of the stick really makes playing those games impractical.

    Yeah, I think it's good to have the analog sticks. Also, this is the first one I've had that looks like it can play PS2 games fairly well. I thought it would be interesting to try out some PS2 games on it. I thought it was already impressive that other handhelds I've had before can play original Playstation games fairly well.

    I don't think the non-Pro MAX 3 can play PS2 games very well (or at all?), so that's probably the main advantage of the Pro model.
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Friday, September 06, 2024 20:22:46
    Re: Retro gaming
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Fri Sep 06 2024 04:51 pm

    The lack of wifi is a little disappointing, but honestly I don't use network capability in a handheld emulation device much anyway.

    I found the WiFi support on the Miyoo Mini Plus convenient for OTA updates and retro achievements.
    https://retroachievements.org/
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  • From KnightMare@VERT/TELEGRAP to Digital Man on Saturday, September 07, 2024 01:00:06
    Re: Retro gaming
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Thu Sep 05 2024 12:35 pm

    MAME runs on all kinds of platforms, even little/cheap retro gaming handhelds.

    I almost sure there's a Pi version too!

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  • From KnightMare@VERT/TELEGRAP to MRO on Saturday, September 07, 2024 01:02:13
    Re: Retro gaming
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Thu Sep 05 2024 09:19 pm

    yeah but he says he has a cabinet; isn't that always powered by a personal computer instead of some little handheld you get off amazon?
    I knew people that built them and they always used a personal computer.

    A PC is certainly a way to run, but this is 2024 and there are lots of ways
    to get a pro-loaded MAME console, then do the wiring for the lights, sound, joystics, buttons, a sold PSU.,, It truly *is* a labor of love.

    I really need to upload a video or some pics to show you.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Digital Man on Friday, September 06, 2024 23:42:45
    Re: Retro gaming
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Fri Sep 06 2024 08:20 pm

    I found some ROM sets on archive.org pre-setup with cover art, etc. Saved me a lot of time curriating.

    Ah, thanks for the tip.

    I tend to not really like having too many games to scroll through. I made a backup of what was on the card initially, and then removed many of the ROMs and kept the ones I typically like to have on a device. The cover art for many of the games were already on the SD card, which saved me some time. I also found a utility for generating a gamelist.xml file, though it's fairly simplistic in that it looks for every file in a directory and writes a gamelist.xml with the filename, name (with the extension stripped off), and a cover art image, which it assumes has the same name as the ROM but with a .png or .jpg or something. I still had to do some manual work in specifying the actual cover art filenames. Also, the tool I was using doesn't write things like the release date, publisher, etc. (not smart enough to do that, and I'm not sure if there's a database for those kinds of things for such a tool to use).

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to KnightMare on Friday, September 06, 2024 23:43:41
    Re: Retro gaming
    By: KnightMare to Digital Man on Sat Sep 07 2024 01:00 am

    MAME runs on all kinds of platforms, even little/cheap retro gaming
    handhelds.

    I almost sure there's a Pi version too!

    This Powkiddy handheld that I bought recently looks like it has MAME on it too.

    Nightfox

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to KnightMare on Saturday, September 07, 2024 08:11:05
    Re: Retro gaming
    By: KnightMare to Digital Man on Sat Sep 07 2024 01:00 am

    MAME runs on all kinds of platforms, even little/cheap retro gaming
    handhelds.

    I almost sure there's a Pi version too!

    There is. There's a been a "retropie" project in active development for a long time. It was the first raspberry pi project I ever built, on a Pi 2B+ I Spent a lot of hours playing old SNES games, along with my favorite arcade game, SMASH-TV

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to KnightMare on Sunday, September 08, 2024 06:38:07
    Re: Retro gaming
    By: KnightMare to MRO on Sat Sep 07 2024 01:02 am

    A PC is certainly a way to run, but this is 2024 and there are lots of ways to get a pro-loaded MAME console, then do the wiring for the lights, sound, joystics, buttons, a sold PSU.,, It truly *is* a labor of love.

    I really need to upload a video or some pics to show you.

    no thanks, i dont need a video.
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  • From KnightMare@VERT/TELEGRAP to Nightfox on Sunday, September 08, 2024 12:20:02
    Re: Retro gaming
    By: Nightfox to KnightMare on Fri Sep 06 2024 11:43 pm

    I almost sure there's a Pi version too!

    This Powkiddy handheld that I bought recently looks like it has MAME on it too.

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  • From KnightMare@VERT/TELEGRAP to DaiTengu on Sunday, September 08, 2024 12:22:18
    Re: Retro gaming
    By: DaiTengu to KnightMare on Sat Sep 07 2024 08:11 am

    There is. There's a been a "retropie" project in active development for a long time. It was the first raspberry pi project I ever built, on a Pi 2B+ I Spent a lot of hours playing old SNES games, along with my favorite arcade game, SMASH-TV


    I'd like to get the newest Pi, but I don't have a lot of free time to screw around with it and I don't need another "toy" just sitting around collecting dust...

    I have a NUC I hardly use...


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  • From KnightMare@VERT/TELEGRAP to MRO on Sunday, September 08, 2024 12:23:23
    Re: Retro gaming
    By: MRO to KnightMare on Sun Sep 08 2024 06:38 am

    I really need to upload a video or some pics to show you.

    no thanks, i dont need a video.

    I meant that in general, not at you, direcctly... LOL

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to KnightMare on Sunday, September 08, 2024 23:21:51
    Re: Retro gaming
    By: KnightMare to MRO on Sun Sep 08 2024 12:23 pm

    Re: Retro gaming
    By: MRO to KnightMare on Sun Sep 08 2024 06:38 am

    I really need to upload a video or some pics to show you.

    no thanks, i dont need a video.

    I meant that in general, not at you, direcctly... LOL

    just dont
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  • From halian@VERT/ABINARY to MRO on Wednesday, September 11, 2024 22:41:00
    I really need to upload a video or some pics to show you.

    no thanks, i dont need a video.

    I meant that in general, not at you, direcctly... LOL

    just dont

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to All on Sunday, September 29, 2024 13:03:17
    There's a retro gaming expo going on this weekend in the area where I live. I went yesterday, and they have a lot of vendor booths selling old console games (some even in original packaging) and consoles, and some with some more unique stuff (there was a guy there selling Nintendo Game Boys that he reconditioned with modern backlit screens, etc.), and they also had some consoles & retro computers set up with games on them you could play, as well as a section with arcade games & pinball machines. They also had a Tetris tournament going on.

    I thought it was cool to see everything there. I almost thought about buying an old console, such as a Super Nintendo, Nintendo 64, or a TurboGrafX-16. I thought they all wanted too much money for them though. For instance, the ones who had a TurboGrafX-16 for sale, they were asking about $200 or $250. I checked eBay and saw some there for less (around $100 to $150 or so). Also, honestly I might not play them very often, and I already have several ways to play old console games via emulation (and often, emulation handhelds or even something like a custom Raspberry Pi setup would cost less than what people often ask for an old console). I think it would be cool to have some physical consoles though. Maybe if I can find some deals somewhere.

    Nightfox

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  • From Belly@VERT/BRAZINET to Nightfox on Monday, September 30, 2024 14:08:13
    Re: Retro gaming
    By: Nightfox to All on Sun Sep 29 2024 01:03 pm

    There's a retro gaming expo going on this weekend in the area where I live.

    Does anyone go to VCFs? I discovered the whole vintage computing thing several years ago... I have personally been into the hobby since those machines were just 'computers' instead of 'vintage computers.'

    I went to VCFSW in Dallas and VCFMW in Chicago last year, but was only able to attend VCFMW this year because of financial constraints.

    I did a Packet Radio exhibit at VCFMW both years, which was well-received. I sold a few of my Laser 128 Apple II clones this year, along with a black face ADAT machine that I used to use in my studio.

    I bought an Atari 800XL, an ADM-22 terminal, and brought home a couple of
    free G3 iMacs. I also found a RGB monitor for my Apple IIgs in the free pile, which turned out to be perfectly functional!

    The ADM-22 looks nice sitting on top of my Altair 8800 :)


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  • From halian@VERT/ABINARY to Belly on Tuesday, October 01, 2024 06:17:00
    There's a retro gaming expo going on this weekend in the area where I l

    Does anyone go to VCFs?

    I'd love to go to VCFSE (which is part of Southern Fried Gaming Expo), but I can't afford transportation to/from, and lodging in, Atlanta. :/

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  • From Belly@VERT/BRAZINET to halian on Tuesday, October 01, 2024 19:58:05
    Re: Retro gaming
    By: halian to Belly on Tue Oct 01 2024 06:17 am

    I'd love to go to VCFSE (which is part of Southern Fried Gaming Expo), but I

    I haven't made it to VCFSE yet, which is strange as it's actually the closest to me. I know several who go every year, though.

    VCFMW is definitely the most fun that I have, mainly because it's a really relaxed atmosphere. A convention center and hotel full of old computers and drunk nerds! I even chatted to the front desk clerk about Sinclairs as I was checking in!


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